Wednesday 24 July 2013

The First PIBG AJK meeting (10/7/2013)

We have conducted the 1st PIBG AJK meeting on 10/7/2013.The following are the few things we discussed.

1. Set Up Bureau
     a. Communication-blog, website, notice
          Ken Choo, Teacher Kenny Liong, Rozie

     b. Safety, Cleanliness and Health
          i.  maintanence - Lai Fah
          ii. traffic & security - Tiew Guan Huat
          iii. cleanliness and gardening- Teacher Tan Ah Ha

     c. Welfare and activities
         Sydney Mak, Ellen Chong Gwek Lan, Janet Tan, Tan Huey Huey, Dr Yew Mee Ong, Kenny Liong

2.  The tuition issue

     a. questionaire will be distributed out to get feed back from EACH and EVERY parents regarding to the tuition.
     b. reply slip regarding to tuition and the tuition fee will be distributed to parents, to be executed by secretary, Teacher Wong.

3. Toilet
     a. first inspection by AJk had been done.
     b. solution: to improve the flushing mechanism.
     c. Lai Fah and Tiew Guan Huat to get at least 3 quotation on 3b
     d. quotation should be presented and decision to be made in the next ajk meeting


3. Activities
     a. recycling activities
         Objective: to turn rubbish into income. build rapport and team spirit among parents and school.
     b. stage performance
          objective: to cultivate good moral value among the children.
     c. Year six graduation and reward ceremony


*We welcome parents to volunteer to join our bureau, especially those who have contacts orinterest in 1b(i)-(iii)

*We are in the preparation to upgrade the toilet. Parents who have experties or contacts of good contractors, please contact us to quote us.




40 comments:

Unknown said...

Very good update of PIBG activity, but we can't assume all parents read english, just incase some may interpret wrongly, please everytime post in english and chinese together. We need to follow school notice, always chinese/english or chinese/Malay.

sydneymak said...

Thanx. The mandarin version is still in the progress.

Unknown said...

Thanks for share the 1st meeting, Wonder when will the 2nd meeting and would like to know the update.
Thanks

Unknown said...

It is very disappointed that already more than a month the promised 1st PIBG meeting breifing in mandarin version still can not be updated in the Blog. Your competency is questionable.

Unknown said...

Grace, please be patient. Give them some more time. I understand that a lot of actions were taken place (like the toilets & the coming Hong Jie Jie's show). Compare to last time, everyone was keep in dark for years / decades, I must say don't be too harsh on them. Or may be you can volunteer to help them do the translation. I think they did plead for more parents to get involved.

p.s. I wonder did you 'press/question' on the previous AJK as agressive as now or not.

MYew said...

Dear Grace Loh,
It is indeed bad grace (pun fully intended) for you to criticise our competency when your competency in English is glaringly questionable. Are you an "it" when you say "It is very disappointed...." when you mean you are very disappointed?
It is very difficult to be truly competent in more than one language and we are very sorry for being incompetent in this area. Maybe we could enlist your help for the Mandarin translation. It is very easy to be an armchair critic and we ask you to do the more difficult thing which is to criticise constructively and to contribute positively and with grace.
NB. Please learn to spell the word "briefing" too.

Unknown said...

Dear Megan, we are all concern parents, I have no intention to be harsh on the new PIBG AJK, I just suggest a mandarin version for those not so well verse in chinese, like me, to avoid mis-interpretation. Sydney Mak herself promised to update in mandarin more than one month ago, don't you think she took too long, parents will start wonder what happen to the efficiency of this new PIBG, cause they have promised alot more things, like heavy school bags, extra class issue, toilet (beside added a basket and a piece of instructuion), we have not seen any effective results.
We are all parents, some old enough too see the school progress, original Lick Hung is not like what you see today, it changed and upgraded with the effort since the ex HM Choo, teachers, Parents and the ex PIBG AJK, what you can see and our children are using today are those important structure like Admin block, The hall, new class room, new roof top, new tiles pavement etc etc..
Not fair to say we are kept in dark for decades, This is very irresponsible comment, I suggest you should retract your words in order not to tarnish our new PIBG effort.

Unknown said...

Dear Dr.Yew
I really surprise how you insult a person with poor english like me, you should be more humble to read poor english comment since you are now a School PIBG AJK, the way you insult show you are very arrogant, you are not suitable to involve in school activities, may be this is the reason why recent rumour said our new PIBG AJK are very arrogant, I don't believe these rumours until I read your comment. Truly disappointing.

Unknown said...

Dear Grace, no retract of my words. The 'keep in dark' was meant for previous AJK who didn't have every/any meeting minutes update like what we have now. No survey form, no asking of what we parents want.

And pls, don't twist the topic. We are talking abt the meeting minute.

And I couldn't help getting this perception that you are biase or have hidden agenda.. trying to be littled effort done on the toilet by new AJK. And bring up prev AJK contribution, even though nobody is questioning about that.

You still didn't answer me: did you chase the ex-AJK for meeting minute every month and ask for translation (if there is any meeting minute out) last time ?

If not, why are you acting like this now ?

Unknown said...

Dear pibg members,
To cetain extent I agreed with Grace Loh . Just like what I ask one week ago. When is the second pibg meeting. Is there any update? But still no reply.

iShake said...

Dear all parents,

As a parent, that is who I am, I feel pity for our school ... Lick Hung, once a reputable school in Subang.

Now it is so run down, toilets are dirty, canteen is too small, table and chairs are too old, windows are broken, doors are too old, and many other issues, however, the new PIBG committee are trying very hard (volunteering basis, no allowance or income) to improve the school in order to give the children a better learning environment, but sad to say some parents are trying to argue over the blog about petty issues.

Why not lend a helping hand instead of making noise about some misunderstanding issues.

Let's put your heart (real heart) into the school and see where you can help, help the committee which is short handed (translate, update, looking for source (good contractor willing to help chinese school), getting funds for welfare development and etc.

If you are not able to help or too busy to help, please be patience with the short handed PIBG who is trying their very best to do things with limited budget and resources. Give them all the time they need. Are you paying them salary ? If you do, then I say it's fair to demand deadline for their assignments or projects. Or else, its volunteer work, pls don't chase the good hearted parents who is willing to sacrifice their precious time and do work away and next year no one willing to volunteer anymore. By then, our school will be doom and manipulated by people trying to make a fortune for themselves and not for the school. You want this kind of PIBG ?????

Put your heart into the school and your children will be learning better and and enjoy learning.

I hereby, apologize first, should I offended anyone indirectly or directly, I just meant to voice out and remind all kind hearted parents to focus on improving and not criticizing.


Thank you

Kenny

iShake said...

By the way, I believe, setting up the meeting date is not an easy job as you need to wait till HM is available, chairman available, teacher's committee available.

D you think you can do it ? Setting the meeting ??

Pls be fair and know more about PIBG's difficulty in carrying out duties.

Thank you

Kenny

Unknown said...

Kenny,
If you don't understand how PIBG operates and you don't know the actual conditions of the school, Please shut up and don't simply comment, our PIBG parent's AJK already facing tough challenge, you are confirming our AJKs are incapable and incompetence.

Unknown said...

Sigh!!!! Still never get reply from PIBG.

I sent my children to LH 8 years ago, I saw the LH improvement and development as Grace mentioned. I never paid any salary to PIBG members at all.

I certainly agreed with Mr. Kenny, LH is running down. My daughter very sad, this year Std 6, no concert, no farewell lunch!!!

All of us know, pibg members are all volenteer and, good heart parents. But if you are not committed your time to the school better don't take up the position. I believe there are other volenteers and good hearted parents in the school.

A well organised team will have organised plan. There won't have short handed, no time etc as excuses.
"TEAMWORK" is the success keys for all organisation. If only follow certain narrow mentality of thinking. .. too bad....

I'm very surprised, setting up a meeting with HM, chairman and committee members is a problem for you. How can we expect more! OMG!!!

May GOD blessed Lick Hung...





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Unknown said...

Hi Kienaik Soon, your post triggered me this.

All this while, we forgot to think WHAT IF it's the worse case scenario, where HM is acting unprofessionally and mean. What if HM purposely make things really bad, purposely don't want those annual activities like you mention to be carried out ? Can we assume that everyone is professional, mature and good, and can accept that the team he prefer lost in the last AGM ?

Remember, HM has the power to say no and come out with excuses for everything, and being the most experience in the PIBG, he can choose to be passive mode or non coorperative mode and let thing looks bad for the new AJK. There is possibility that this might happen. We cannot ignore such possibility. No one can say for sure and gurantee that HM won't do that, right ?

Just quite surprise I am to learn that no HM & teachers attended the show last weekend, not to mention helping out during the preparation.

Gan said...

Dear PIBG
Actually I heard Mr.Lai said that too

Unknown said...

Dear PIBG
Me too overheard what the parent said about the teacher. I was there waiting for my daughter, I don't know him, but he was talking loudly outside the school and I can't help not to listen. Yes, you may say I can walk away, but since he was talking about it loudly I assumed he wanted to let others hear it as well.

Yes, he gave a negative comment about the teacher. And I also heard the front part of his sharing that made he's so disappointed with the teacher. The teacher ill treated his daughter, but I personally felt the worst part is in the class during normal lesson, in front of 40+ students the teacher talked about this guy's family and business issues with all negative comments.

As a parent myself, I would ask why on earth this teacher wanted to talk about other people's family and business issue in the class ???!! Is that part of the teaching syllabus, is the teacher so free and got nothing better to do ??!! If teacher talks about my personal issue in the office, I can't be bothered because that is her closed door gossiping, but she told the whole class = 40+ students. And the guy's daughter is in the class, one of the students. The teacher mentioned the guy's name clearly and loudly in the class and blah blah blah.

How would you feel if this happened to your daughter or son. Parents, do you want to know which teacher is involves in this case ?!! May b i should review her name here, let all know who are the persons involved in this case then only it's fair. But I would rather choose not to mention the guy's (he introduced himself during 1st and 2nd PIBG meeting) nor the teacher's name (I know the teacher's name because she's one of the senior teachers in LH).
Hope PIBG could remove the comment which contents the guy's name. Also the comment that talked about HM. Let's not worsen the situation.give them(the guy and his family) and the school management some rooms and times to help sort out this issue = their personal issues.

Unknown said...

Dear Kienaik Soon,
Can upload and share the notice about Standard 6 this year no concert and no farewell lunch ??
May daughter didn't go to school few days so she may had missed out the notice when teacher distributed in class. If it's confirmed no farewell lunch then i can organize a family trip before school holidays start, off peak season---save some costs and stay away from big crowd :)

In fact I saw how students had their farewell lunch in last 2 years, lots of wastage. After 3rd or 4th course, students were busy taking photo among themselves and don't have time and heart to continue eating the remaining dishes,ended up the caterer just threw away the dishes, what a waste !

Unknown said...

Gan, what did Mr Lai say ?

Unknown said...

Actually with the non-cooperative shown during the Hong Jie Jie Drama last weekend, over the two months old new AJK, what other activities that can the new AJK do ? Concert ? parents AJK to skip job and teach students in school for concert performance? trip ? No teachers nor HM is going to the trip. Oh, ask parents AJK to lead the trip, is it appropriate ?

Gan said...

Dear Megan,
PIBG have more other important task to do, I believe Mr.Lai also know his mistake, let's don't pursue this matter anymore.

Cheer

Unknown said...

If one doesn't know the true fact, please do not make assumptions and jump into conclusion accusing which party is right or wrong and which side is not doing their part! It takes both hands to clap. So in any event or function to take place, both PIBG AJK and the school need to work together. If one side refuse to cooperate, there is no way you could improve the school. We have a bunch of great parents who willing to sacrifice their time and offer to help, why penalize them? Why not work together with an open mind?
If wanna know why no concert no farewell or even no teacher's day celebration, go find out yourself. And don't simply put the blame on the new PiBG AJK unless you have the evidence that they are the one that doesn't want to organize.

Unknown said...

Dear kanimak
You sound logic, both PIBG parents AJK and school should work closely, just simple as that, but where actually went wrong? The school? or the Parents AJKs?
we as parents can't do much except to give the vote to them, they need to work harder to solve problems, not create more problem like scolding teacher in public, he actually add oil to fire.
Frankly, why should we keep arguing here of the school activities, we parents don't even have any access to the school except getting info from our kid. The right person is our PIBG, they should come out and clear the cloud, not just keep quite, it make matter more complicated.

Anonymous said...

Grace Loh, you seems to have quite a few good points there. I suggest you to approach any one of the AJKs to be one of the active volunteer. I believe you can contribute a lot with your ideas. Better than just typing on blogs...

Unknown said...

We all know who is holding the highest power at the school. Pibg ajk are also parents just like any of us. And we don't know exactly what they have been through since they took over. Therefore, i don't think we are in the position to criticize them if we don't know the facts.

Unknown said...

If my baby is 'ill treated' by a teacher like what this guy's daughter went through, I couldn't imagine how outraged I will be.

It's easy for other to say he shouldn't say this, shouldn't scold , shouldn't do this and that, etc.

针不截到肉,你不会痛。You won't feel the pain if the needle didn't poke on you.

And you still want to demand this parent who I perceive as care about his daughter to behave like a gentleman?

And the weirdest thing here is no one even mention anything about the teacher who did it very wrong in the first place. e.g. No one is telling the teacher, Don't add oil to the fire. Be professional, no matter how she dislike this parent.

Scolding teacher publicly VS teacher ill-treat a child in front of her classmates, which is more horrid.

I don't see this as adding oil to the fire for PIBG AJK. It's very clear that this is between a parent and a teacher. Only 有心人 trying hard to use an outraged father reaction to blame it on the AJK.

And it doesn't mean that he is an AJK and he will automatically become saint and can tolerate people 'ill treat' his children.

Grace, you are a parent. I thought you can imagine the pain.



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Unknown said...

Megan C,
Is all your "IF" statement is true? Are you pibg members or just like me a parents? Look like you know lots inner info which most of us don't know.
Appreciate if you could share more info to us!

Unknown said...

I am just ordinary parent, who believes there are always two side of stories, endless possibilities....



Unknown said...

Oh Kienaik,

From your words: "Look like you know lots inner info"


Are you verifying that what I said is true ? Those IF are really inner info ?

ooo ... I hope I am not so lucky. Should have guess the toto number instead.

Unknown said...

Dear Kienaik Soon,

Earlier you wrote "My daughter very sad, this year Std 6, no concert, no farewell lunch!!!", I had asked for you to upload and share the notice but nothing happened. Your sentence sounded very firm, so I assumed you have the insider info as you are one of the ex AJK, may have contact with school management.

Now, confirmed it's a rumour and thanks to school for breaking the rumour. Teachers started to collect Rm30 for farewell lunch, RM30 for concert night event, DVD (what is the DVD about ?? hope my child will remember to check with teacher) and a Tshirt.....verbally. without official notice, I am ondering it's an optional or compulsory to pay the amount of RM60. If it's a compulsory event, need to re organize my family trip :(

Hope no one will spread rumour again, it will hurt the school.

Unknown said...

Dear Evelyn Lau,
I get the "no farewell lunch and party" thru my daughter.
Maybe our pibg members have communicated with school after my post! !
We shall thanks to LH then!

Unknown said...

Dear Megan,

No, I am not verified your statement and will be happy you share more IF news to us instead.

Unknown said...

Dear Kienaik,

I can only share those possibilities that I can imagine/think of. And hopefully all parents don't jump into conclusion after hearing one side of story, or one side of hearsay/rumour. Sometimes, you have to think of possibilities that is UNSPOKEN.

Don't simply accuse anything, anyone.

And dear Kienaik,

Don't get confused ya. It's NOT a 'news'. ;)

Unknown said...

I have to correct the info shared earlier.

Today my child came home with this message:
RM20 for lunch
RM10 for DVD, he said it is e-magazine
RM30 per ticket for parents who want to attend the graduation concert.

Cash payment, no cheque, no notice !!!


Dear Kienaik, your comment sounded like I have to thank you too for bring up the topic here, it triggered the pibg ajk to communicate with school. Thanks to you, to PIBG AJK and to school. Do you know why no cheque, no notice ?? A notice can make parent's life easier, kid is not a perfect messenger.

Unknown said...

I am a bit skeptical when instruction like "NO CHEQUE" is allowed + no notice.

Who can tell this activity is organized by PIBG ? Is it right to assume it's PIBG who is organizing this ?

And where does those cash go ? Can we assume PIBG ?

endless possibilities ....

Anonymous said...

PIBG does not update us, don't think it's organised by PIBG.

When paying money, especially cash, please be extra careful. Please ask for receipt. Make sure it is not another "sumbangan" receipt. This time maybe sumbangan to "tabung pembangunan sekolah" or "Lembaga Pengurusan" hehehe....

Unknown said...

Any official payment should allow cheque and not CASH only. If CASH only with no proper receipt, money can go to anybody! If PIBG is unaware of this event, then it must have come from the school then!